The debate covered several interesting topics, but the one I found to be most interesting was the question of whether or not science is in conflict with spirituality. They then tried to make it clear to everyone what actions could be deemed right, good, helpful and moral, and what actions were seen as wrong, bad, unhelpful and immoral. By Sashi. The sky is not the goddess Nut held up by the god Shu, as the ancient Egyptians thought. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense … The communal rituals and ‘spirituality’ that irreligious groups should be engaged in has always been a … They noted that, 'The ancient and medieval worlds believed that the ordinary world is somehow embedded in a spiritual reality', and for many today nothing much has changed. But does it have to be that way? One, if religion didn't exist, we can't believe that the talented artists, musicians etc wouldn't have found inspiration from other sources, nature perhaps, and produced equally great works. Like many, I've often not known how to interpret the word spirituality when I hear it, depending on who mentions it and in what context. As we'll show further on, it's a debate that is well settled in the favour of science. Spirituality vs. religion is an ancient debate. ', 'The texts report that on the night of his enlightenment the Buddha gained the ability to recall his previous lives. So through poorly chosen words the public could come to think that science might have more in common with spirituality and religion than first thought. So are you Scientific or Spiritual? This is in essence a question of ethics. But don’t misunderstand me! Religion: Reframing the debate. Should your kids look at that example and assume your good fortune was due to you obeying the right morals, and follow your example? They are commonly depicted in Buddhist art and literature as forming part of the audience at significant episodes in the Buddha's life. Religion vs. Spirituality . I would destroy the Sistine Chapel if it meant I could save a single life, so I'd certainly destroy it all to save millions of lives and prevent the suffering of countless more. Two authors--one from the field of physics, the other from the realm of spirituality--debate the most fundamental questions about human existence ', 'For me, science is first and foremost an empirical discipline that provides humanity with a powerful access to understanding the nature of the physical and living world. Should males, and some females, have their genitals mutilated, solely to fit in with their god's perverted desires? OK, so we argue that there is a real connection between spirituality and religion, for many they are one and the same, and that science has no connection to either. They'll mention that they're not religious, meaning not Christian or Hindu etc, but they'll then add that something — meaning some unspoken god — must have created the universe and life, after all, it couldn't have just arisen by chance. How should Muslims behave towards non-believers? Is there a conflict between science and spirituality? Science is not in a cosy relationship with spirituality or religion, nor does it want to be. A million, one thousand, a hundred? Muslims claim that you should be killed. Again, science agues that it is the mind, generated by the brain, that runs the show, and when the brain fails, so too does the mind, followed by the body. But they suggested that if we redefined spirituality as, 'experiencing our true connection to all that exists', then we could all unite under one banner for the common good of humanity. These ideas were then purloined, written down in holy books, and attributed to some imaginary god. Did spiritual advisers help scientists at the Large Hadron Collider find the Higgs Boson? Readers' Comments:    Science argues that snakes and donkeys can't talk to humans, that men can't walk on water or turn water into wine, the Bible disagrees. Look at the obscene opulence of the Vatican, with the pope flying around the world in his private jet to kiss the feet of a handful of impoverished peasants. But today, thanks to science, an increasing number of people have rejected belief in the silly Bible stories and the Christian God. Science says the Earth is a sphere, the Bible says it's flat, and rests on pillars. So far so good. Round 6 of the Showdown debates the motion: Behavior analysts can compartmentalize their beliefs. To them religion and spirituality are intimately linked. Muslims are known at this time in history for nothing but death and terror, Christians for raping children and persecuting homosexuals, Hindus for their unjust caste system, Jews for their attacks on Muslim farmers. Even today creationists and Intelligent Design proponents fight to try and get their religious versions of how the universe and life arose taught alongside evolution in school science classes. How we view ourselves and the world around us cannot help but affect our attitudes and our relations with our fellow beings and the world we live in. Date Thursday - October 13 2011 Host George Noory Guests Deepak Chopra, Leonard Mlodinow, Ronnie Rennae Foster, Laura Lee … This is why I believe the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics that is beyond religion. As well as trying to explain the world, religions also tried to tell us how to behave morally, or suffer the punishment, and consequently got it wrong, again, telling us to burn witches, avoid women who are menstruating, and to slaughter nonbelievers wherever we find them. ', with no strings attached. It's not going to happen, but let's imagine that in some alternative reality religious folk agreed to just concentrate on the bits in their holy books that spoke of the meaning of life, morals and human values. I’m not saying to deny science, just see its inherent limitations. The systems view of life, not surprisingly, includes a new systemic understanding of evolution. Chopra and Mlodinow wrote “War of the Worldviews: Science vs. Spirituality” to help start an intelligent and civil conversation about this very hot subject. View Comments. Psychologists have found that spirituality is connected with both happiness and health. That phrase right there might be a good gauge of whether someone sees themselves as spiritual. Science is the understanding that there is a cause and effect to everything that happens around us, The universe we live in is based upon certain laws such as gravity, time and matter. All religions, from that of the ancient Maya to Buddhism, have tried to explain how the universe and life arose, and they have all, without exception, got it completely wrong. All religion did was force them to have a very narrow focus on what their work portrayed. On Oct. 4th, at 1 p.m.EST, Deepak Chopra and Leonard Mlodinow will debate science and spirituality based on their new book: “War of the Worldviews.” The event will be streamed LIVE on AOL and Huffington Post. Might a lifetime of quiet meditation even reveal more about the universe than a lifetime of scientific research? Think about that. Even in the earliest sources gods and spirits make frequent appearances. You're out! We're guessing here that he means that science will cover what's 'seen' in the world, and spirituality will tell us about what is 'unseen'. If religions were to ignore all the claims in their holy books that looked at the 'facts' of the world, and simply concentrated on morals and meaning, on how we should behave towards others, then they would have to reject much of what makes up the very core of their religion. What if a Muslim woman complains of rape? Science is most definitely 'expanding the horizon of human knowledge and wisdom', and philosophy is helping, but religion, every religion, is tempting us down a dark pathway where ignorance, suffering and death awaits, and leading us ever further away from the path to true enlightenment. I also looked at the full blurb for the book on Amazon, which is where the above intro quote apparently comes from. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense … Science vs Spirituality, it seems we live in a world where we must take sides, we must be in one camp or the other, a world where both sides assume they are right. ', and change, 'for then we would know the mind of God', to, 'for then we would understand the physics of the universe', now these statements are seen in their true light. And what normal person needs a holy book to tell them to love someone, not to kill their neighbours, or that they won't like being tortured? '(Koran 4:35). However, even though scientists hate the label, the public sit up and listen when journalists mention the 'God Particle', but call it by its proper name and the public switch off. While he may at times sound a little hypocritical, a religious leader arguing for science rather religion, he probably can achieve far more while wearing the religious garb. Atheists like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are giving billions of dollars to combat disease and poverty in the likes of Africa, whereas the Catholic Church is contributing to the spread of AIDS around the world by denying the use of condoms, and taking billions of dollars from their followers and investments, on top of demanding tax exemptions, and simply hoarding it. And as we've already argued, nothing could be further from the truth. They understood that some actions harm others, and that reducing this harm, as a group, could make for a better life for everyone. Spiritual leader Deepak Chopra and physicist Leonard Mlodinow will face off in a debate on this age-old question at Sixth & I Synagogue. However, both spirituality and religion lead the followers on … And of course, like all spirituality claims, there is no evidence to support any of it. Basically, if you no longer believe your god created the universe and life, if you look to science for those answers, then why should you still believe your god exists at all? One vivid narrative recounts how just prior to his enlightenment the Buddha did battle with Mara, the Evil One, winning a great victory and scattering his legions. Of course they are just as religious as a Christian or a Hindu, in the sense that they believe in some god, it's just that unlike the Christian or Hindu, they don't know anything at all about their god, or even what the god's name is. Mine simply defines spirituality as 'the state, quality, manner, or fact of being spiritual', and so we must move on to the definition of 'spiritual'. It's present, whether you believe in it or not'. One clue that there's something fishy about this distinction comes when we look at the radically different ways people try to define and describe that distinction. Consider these three definitions drawn from the internet: Religious believers desperate to excuse the horrors of religion often highlight some minor good, such as religions helping the poor or comforting the dying, but they forget that nonbelievers do that too, and in much greater numbers. So, the next time you hear someone promoting the spiritual-scientific divide, you’ve got the tools to help enlighten them! But the thing is that the Higgs boson has nothing whatsoever to do with God. Unfortunately many scientists and scientific organisations do, but we believe this is largely to avoid angering a society that is largely religious, and often provides the funds and consent for their research projects. GOD VS. SCIENCE: A Debate Between Natalie Angier and David Sloan Wilson, Moderated by Thomas A. Bass. Gareth Douglass. I certainly don't. Never Alone Suicide Awareness and Prevention Campaign; Sages & Scientists. Nor is the land fixed to the sky with cords as the Cherokee claimed, and the Moon isn't the severed head of the goddess Coyolxhauqui, as the Aztec believed. If the creation bit was all a lie, and that's the difficult bit you actually needed a god for, then the other bits really make no sense. In this latest skirmish of the age-old War of the Worldviews, we find a spirited defense of science (Mlodinow) vs. spirituality (Chopra). We have read through and i also am certain that i will going to read through once more again later on. Science vs. How would you know? In this, there is much each may learn from the other, and together they may contribute to expanding the horizon of human knowledge and wisdom.'. One of the debates that we mostly get to read in the internet is 'if science and spiritualism' should be merged or if spiritualism should be explained from the perspective of science or if spiritualism can be validated from science? Does he make a good argument that both science and spirituality should be embraced? But that said, there are people that have given up on the mainstream religions, while still retaining a belief in a creator god (making them deists, rather than theists), and who believe (falsely) that they've given up on religion, whereas they haven't. Yes, religion may have commissioned some great art and amazing architecture, but religion also caused untold death and suffering. With the physical laws everyone can quickly learn how to behave to remain happy and safe, but since there is no obvious cause and effect with the moral laws, you can have no idea what the desirable moral acts are. 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